I was wondering if RuneMagle, you and I could settle on one specific format for headings / sub sections. I'm seeing a lot of back and forth between Plot/Synopsis/Full Plot and Overview/Plot. I'm open to either but it would be nice if we're all on the same page.
I will ask RuneMagle to check this post so that we can all discuss.
Personally, I like Plot/Full Plot best. Since It makes the most sense. Overview is not the same as plot, and you can't have a full overview, it doesn't sound as good at least. I think Plot/Full Plot sounds best. Although, I think it would be best to have just Plot, and then for full plots adding a Transcript page instead, as some wikis have it, so it's not so much text on the episode page either. That's my thought. :)
Personally, I like to group headings based on their logical order / hierarchy or what they have in common. Since the episode summary and the full plot are under Plot, I would prefer to have Plot as the main heading, then Summary and Full Plot as sub headings. That way, if someone is looking the episode plot, they go to the plot; and then they can either choose the summary or the detailed plot. They way we have Cast as the main heading, then Main Cast and Recurring Cast as sub-headings.
As for having most content on the main episode page, I actually prefer having all content about an episode on the same page instead of using sub-pages that people never read. I like to get all content in one place. Even for things like images. If we want people to see images or our images to get better ranking on search engines like Google, it works best to have them on the same page as the episode.
When episode pages are getting thousands of views per week, our gallery pages can't even get 10 views. So, they're usually like a waste because they never serve their purpose. But if we have them on the episode page, then they reach to more people; become searchable on Google and bring more traffic to the wiki.
Also, if the episode pages are just the shallow skeleton of date, summary, cast and trivia, they don't get as many views because people have nothing to come back to read.
Transcripts take forever to write. And I think they're technically copyrighted.
I actually understand that. I like the idea of the headings, so I will support that. I see Transcripts take a little longer, but I like the way it is, Although it’s probably just a personal opinion. As for the Gallery page, I think it’s okay if it’s a subpage. The people who wants to look at the galleries can look at it there, I don’t think it’ll change their opinions by having it on the episode page, but I have nothing against images on the page though.
Most people usually won't know or bother to open sub-links to find things but once you make them readily available, they become an important part. Positioning things like that is usually key to successful web design. That way, our users don't waste so much effort looking for images that nobody will ever see.
But for now I'm not worried about galleries since I haven't been uploading mass images for episode/character galleries.
1. Regarding the plot, I agree it would be good to have Plot as the main heading with the full plot and shorthand summary in that section.
2. I think the galleries would probably work better as a slideshow on the pages themselves. I mean that deals with some galleries only having like 5 pictures (if even so much) and making some of the galleries look pointless (like if we only have one picture for an episode gallery for instance).
3. Since we are all here, Star could you give an opinion on the introductory sentences of the episode pages (*insert name here* is the - episode in season 2...)? Pretty sure Rune and I have been reverting eachothers versions of that part of the pages since November so should probably settle that too lol.
2. For galleries, I completely agree. There's really no need of separate gallery pages unless we have a lot of images. Having images on the actual pages makes it more interesting for people. We could use slides too as you suggested. If we only have 5 images (or just top 5), we could set them up like what we have on Molly Jackson's page.
3. I'm okay with either using numbers or words for the episode numbers. One advantage of numbers is that they're very easy to spot, even without reading. But I'm open to either format. Whichever one we choose, I think it should be consistent in both the season number and the overall number. That way we don't say "the eleventh episode of season 2 and the 23rd overall."
I know we've had a small reverting war. But I find it is extremely pointless to have numbers. I mean, you don't have "11th episode in the 2nd season" either, so why mess it up so much? I mean most wikis have it with letters. Think of Dance Moms Wiki, Pretty Little Liars, many more. What is the actual reason to shorten it? And why would it matter if it gets spotted or not? That is not gonna change anything.
Also the same thing with writing "season 2" with a capital S on the episode pages. It is irrelevant and useless, and I can't find any other wiki having it that way. and if there is, it's definitely not many. Not that we need to be like other wikis, but personally I also think it looks really annoying, inconsistent and lazy. Like we didn't bother to write it.
1. Hmm. Well I was thinking we could just have both - is the 1st (first) episode- but I don't really know if that makes much sense. I personally prefer the numbers but if yall want to go with the words only that's fine.
2. Hmm I personally usually write it with the common s cause the capital S in the middle of the sentence bothers me for some reason but I do see your point. And I mean it is linking to a proper page so capitalizing probably makes more sense.
1. If we're all okay with using words for the number in the season, maybe we could use words too for the overall number. But I'm going to support anything you guys agree on.
2. I actually prefer "Season 2" to "season 2". Technically, when saying "Season 2," it's a proper noun. It's the official name of the season. If we want to use lowercase, we would say something like, "... is the first episode of the second season of..."
I'm not a fan of the numbers, if I didn't make that clear enough, lol. :) Plus, both makes it even more worse. Since it will look more stupid having both, than just one. I also thought of the page. Like, what bothered me is linking to the Season 2 page with common s is actually not the page name.
Also, I didn't understand why it was the same thing with categories. Like "Season 2 episodes". Why have common s again? Still, I don't see many wikis with that, although I do find that less important, but I still think that should be discussed too.
I haven't been looking at categories closely lately. So, I'm not exactly sure the issue with that.
Okay, I'm guessing we agree with these:
Use "Plot" section with "Summary" and "Full Plot" sub-sections.
Place images on the parent page unless we have many (like 20+) images
Use words for episode number in both the season and overall in the opening sentence.
Use capital S when referring to Season 1, Season 2 etc.
I have another suggestion. For Spoiler Alert, could we keep the spoiler warning up until like Sunday? I like to start adding stuff right away but some people can take a day or so to watch the episode. If not let's at least keep it up the whole Friday, for the sake of West Coast. Most sites usually keep spoiler warning when doing an episode recap because they know some people don't watch right away.
Hmm. Maybe we could keep the tag up until the next episode airs? A number of people do tend to take up to a week to fully watch an episode. If there is like a break after an episode airs (like 2 weeks or more) then keep it up for a week.
I have one more thing that I think we should discuss. I was wondering if we should create an Adoption request for bureaucrat rights? Rjbear178 has been inactive for almost two months in a few days now, and it would be nice with bureaucrat rights.
Also, so I can remove all the content moderator stuff he gave me, which admin rights already provides. I already adopted for bureaucrat rights on a wiki sometime ago, so I can't do it now. But if you two agree, one of you can create an adoption request for the wiki, and say we all agreed to get bureaucrat rights. :)
Oh sure, we could do that. Should we actually wait until the 2 months pass or just do it now (I remember when I adopted the Stuck in the Middle Wiki it took about 2 weeks for it to go through so the last couple of days until he is 2 months inactive doesn't really matter).
I meant the one who will request it, should request that we all should get the rights. Why only have one? I mean, we all deserve it. And now it's Merrystar and JoePlay. So it only takes about a week to get reviewed.
Despite the fact that there is only two other Adoption requests, you should get reviewed pretty fast, so it would make sense to wait untill Monday. But you can also do it now. Then they'll just tell you to wait a day anyway. But then at least we won't be in line, lol.
I've adopted many wikis. If it gets reviewed before the actual date, we just have to wait till the date, and then they'll add the rights. Or else, we will have to wait more. But I'm fine with it. Just working out the fastest plan. :)
I was wondering too, wouldn't it be better to change the wiki name back to Andi Mack Wiki? Calling it Community is longer, and doesn't make sense, because Wiki and Community are kinda the same thing. Plus, all wikis are called Wiki in the end so...
Agreed also. But to request someone's bureaucrat rights to be removed, they must've been inactive for a year. Although, I think there might be an exception if all of staff agrees though, but I'm not sure.
There are some changes I'm making, but I've decided to run them by you first just so we're all on the same page.
1. Absent Cast - In the cast section, instead of adding a subsection for "Absent Cast", they should be listed in the Main Cast section because that's how they're credited in the show. Instead we would add "(credit only)" notation to their names. That's usually the standard and even IMDb uses that when a main cast is credited but absent in the episode. Other high quality wikis like The 100, MCU follow that too.
2. References - When citing a reference, the displayed text (in Reflist) should be something meaningful instead of just 1, 2, 3... which don't tell the user anything unless they click on the link. It should either be left to display the URL (by not adding "[" "]" around it); or set to display the article title (and if possible include the publisher and the article date). Wikipedia and all the high quality wikis follow that rule too for references. Having a reflist section that displays nothing but a long list of numbers, takes away the entire purpose of having the reflist section in the first place. So, I want us to change that.
For comparison, take a look at this episode of The 100 and see how they do their Absent Cast and References: Praimfaya.